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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:04:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:06:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Posting in a thread where goons helped me make 8.7b isk last saturday for 4 hours play.
(they really ruined my sandbox)
QUICK QUICK GOONS DID SOMETHING MUST MAKE UP A RANDOM NUMBER TO BOAST ABOUT PROFIT THEY GAVE ME
UHM
8 BILLION, NO, TOO LOW
9 BILLION, NO, TOO HIGH
OH DEAR WHAT DO I DOOOOOOOO |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:09:00 -
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pretty much the only day in history i've ever been proud to be a goon luv2gs_isk |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:14:00 -
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Kyle Myr wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Posting in a thread where goons helped me make 8.7b isk last saturday for 4 hours play.
(they really ruined my sandbox)
QUICK QUICK GOONS DID SOMETHING MUST MAKE UP A RANDOM NUMBER TO BOAST ABOUT PROFIT THEY GAVE ME UHM 8 BILLION, NO, TOO LOW 9 BILLION, NO, TOO HIGH OH DEAR WHAT DO I DOOOOOOOO It's unseemly, man, as one of GSF's hardest working members, to have claimed to have earned this. I know that for the jobs you do, you pull in literal pennies comparatively.
i don't know why i bother anymore |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:14:00 -
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if you give me 5 mins i'll change blawrf's face to sad |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:19:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.
damn it sreegs |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:23:00 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. It's pretty apt to make a banking analogy since CCP is probably as well managed as our US banks are.
iceburn |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:29:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:okay it would have been in the early hours of wed morning so lets say so a day and a half ago (or two nights) - which in english means "a couple" ... sometimes Weasoliar you are so nitpicky its positively cringworthy. Liar, liar, pants (or in your case, skirt) on fire.
depends on what he's roleplaying as |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:30:00 -
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(6:30:42 PM) aryth: i am jade |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI Nope. I'm afraid to say you know nothing.
roleplaying ygritte now
what is it with you and roleplaying promiscious women?? |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:40:00 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI Nope. I'm afraid to say you know nothing. roleplaying ygritte now what is it with you and roleplaying promiscious women?? did someone call?
we found jade's spy guys
give me digi's job |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1096
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:42:00 -
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Maggie Maggie wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:we found jade's spy guys
give me digi's job No no, you keep doing your job. You're quite good at it. On the whole, you probably generate just as many tears as the jewbal, they're just more spread out.
http://i.imgur.com/RGRWh.png |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1099
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:37:00 -
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Roxwar wrote:After reading the actual post and seeing the screenies ect of the final fat wallet amounts, i decided to see how much 'real money' the total made comes out to roughly. Based on it costing -ú22 per 1b if bought via 60day GTC, Those magnificent goons are sitting on approx -ú7,744,000 worth of isk if bought with GTC's. Thats right, thats 7.75 MILLION POUNDS worth of internet spaceship money. or approx 11.6 million dollars . However you look at this, be that for or against, you have to admit, only in EVE can something like this happen, and thats why i love this game. I tip my hat to all you goon geeks that came up with this scheme, bravo fine sirs, BRAVO.
do you work for ccp's economy department? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1099
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:43:00 -
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does this mean jade will get neg-walleted/banned too?? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:44:00 -
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i mean, if sreegs finds the jewbal in unfortunate error of breaking the rules/using an exploit and doing so with the express intent of making money, one might say that jade did the same thing (although to a lesser degree) when he found the twitter message some two days ago. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 18:51:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:i mean, if sreegs finds the jewbal in unfortunate error of breaking the rules/using an exploit and doing so with the express intent of making money, one might say that jade did the same thing (although to a lesser degree) when he found the twitter message some two days ago. Well hardly. Seeing as how the tweet in question was directed at CCP through Punkuris in the early hours of Wed Morning and I (like many other Minmatar Militia pilots) made our cash out on Sat the weekend before. Stil, IF - there was some super harsh rollback on this stuff you could argue that ALL militia store cashouts should be reverted and if that happens I'd lose my lovely fleet stabber blueprint collection, my fleet tempest bpcs, and a bunch of minmatar starship engineeering datacores that are sat in Dal. Lord knows how they'd do that though - would be one of the biggest rollbacks since the Exodus fleet fight fiasco. Still your logic fails "Blawrf" on the fact I made my money before I found the tweet :)
i'm sure sreegs will decide himself "Jade" :-) |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 19:08:00 -
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Zvero wrote:1. Someone at CCP is feeding Goons with internal information. 2. CCP starts internal investigation. 3. Goons post lousy explanation on forums to protect their source.
my god he's cracked it |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.21 21:28:00 -
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Fix Lag wrote:Forum Puppet wrote:Willie Horton wrote: Not that I like guys that made post ,but for this they should remove some of their dev''s not isk.This is really slap in face and humiliating to some point.
What this story actually proves : 1. it pays up to be a goon in eve. CCP's "bugs" will not result in any retribution against you if youre a goon. remember the slip with planetary components ? they were all transformed in "broken" and isk was not paid back. See if they will take any measure against goons now. They even feel so confident that they brag about it on the forums ! 2. goons really have no RL. I am really fortunate if i get to play half an hour per day ( not that the late changes in eve made anything to prevent from getting bored if i play more ). I mean really, those guys have nothing else better to do than to grind spreadsheets and brainstorm over how to get advantage of CCPs mistakes ? I still think this is a joke - otherwise i feel very sorry for them. not to accuse you of being a forum puppet, but uh
i see what you did there sir |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1131
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Posted - 2012.06.22 10:19:00 -
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whats goin on in this thread |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1131
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:16:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Lexmana wrote:I am baffled by the fact CCP didn't see this coming and coded a safety break in the system. It was such an obvious exploit and was called out several times by players long before release :facepalm:.
Congrats to goons for pulling this off on such a massive scale. I guess the level of damage done to the system and the estimated time for the economy to recover will guide CCP on how to proceed. I wouldn't be surprised if they called Force Majeure and reverted all/most LP earned to protect the integrity of the game. To bad FW looks more broken than ever. Well a lot of non goons profited from this as well, including noted badposter Jade Constantine.
exactly. even people who had no idea what was going on (ie: didn't read the publically announced google document as tweeted by aryth) were able to look at the markets and see that something was off - and, by taking advantage of that, these people earned billions.
albeit not in the same magnitude as aryth & co, but they certainly profited. |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1131
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:20:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Vile rat wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Kinis Deren wrote:I wonder why CCP aren't heralding yet another "awesome player driven event by Goonswarm!" this time? Will heads roll at CCP over this? That would be a sad turn of events, IMHO. Did Mittens and co just throw CCP "under the bus" for a bit of post Fanfest/CSM election fiasco payback or is this a deflection strategy over the Inferno 1.1 war dec change drama. /me adjusts tinfoil hat How many alts could you create with the profit to influence the outcome of, say, CSM8? This was not done by "Goonswarm." This was done by a cabal of extremely rich and extremely knowledgeable Goonswarm members using their own capital. There is a huge distinction here. So noted and I stand corrected. Does that mean Goonswarm is officially distancing itself from the actions of the members involved? Distancing ourselves? Is this some silly legalese garbage where somebody can't point to something that happened and say "holy **** that was awesome" ? No, not at all and you know it LOL - awesome or exploit that's for others to decide. I was merely intrigued by Richard's response in which he clearly felt it was important to state where the ownership for the event lay. Interesting that you avoided addressing the question yourself VR
i would say he answered the only question you asked: "is goonswarm distancing themselves from the actions of the few who manipulated -ú75,000 of eve cash?"
the answer was a loud, unanimous, resounding "no" |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:21:00 -
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also you mistake Richard's desire to not say GOONSWARM did this (to give credit where credit is due [aryth and co jesus christ they're amazing]) for some sort of distancing. i understand, you're a silly pubbie and kind of slow, but he's doing it out of respect for aryth - not somehow saying OH **** GUYS WE'RE GONNA GET BUGGERED BY CCP BEST BLAME THE FEW |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:23:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Vile rat wrote:As soon as they discovered the flaw in the economy and did a proof of concept they contacted stoffer immediately. If you guys think they ran some sort of month long abuse ring you are simply devoid of the facts.
Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics. In the spirit of providing facts is GS preparing any type of response if CCP having their backsides handed to them whimper their way over to their EULA and wield ban hammers or similar?
i'm not a diplo or any sort of official respondent but why the hell would we? gs didn't do this, the VAST majority of GSF, a nine thousand man alliance, had no idea this was happening.
even if aryth and co get punished, we'll still say "haha that was ******* awesome" |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1131
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:36:00 -
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yeah haha that isn't a thing
... |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1131
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:40:00 -
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actually quite insulted that you're comparing lovely, cuddly mittens to someone like pol pot. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1131
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:46:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:so quick estimate yaou guys did ~200.000 clicks to get all these items. lets do a quick math: if you can do 4 clicks a second (well pretty fast, but we talking goons here) you get 50.000 seconds. Thats 833 minutes or about 14 hours of mindless clicking..... Well i gratulate you on 14 Hours of mindless clicking in the FW-LP-Store.....if nothinmg else, thats an abuse of your mouse-finger for sure!
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboards/g19-keyboard-for-gaming |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1131
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:47:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Vile rat wrote:If the people who figured this out, then told CCP while waving huge flags that read "FIX THIS OR THE ECONOMY IS SCREWED" get punished, then the only stupid thing they did was actually be dumb enough to inform CCP about the issue. Well they could have contracted their stash and transfered the Isk to CCP Sreeg's wallet and said "read this petition it's pretty important you know." Maybe then CCP could give them a medal
will you send your 8.7 billion to sreegs? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:16:00 -
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In chaos theory, there's a concept known as sensitive dependence upon initial conditions. Most people know it as the Butterfly Effect.
In EVE, we call it the sandbox.
HAHAHAHA just kidding not actually a sandbox |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:18:00 -
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In EVE, the choices you make shape the outcome of events. You could've been a white hat, helped CCP uncover market manipulation that could ruin the game, or you could cackle quietly and run roughshod over the economy.
What matters most is that the experience was emergent, unscripted, because - in the sandbox - all player actions, no matter how subtle or bold, always have an impact.
Imagine what you could become a part of.
hahaha just kidding not a sandbox |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:19:00 -
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Welcome to EVE Online. The universe is Sreegs'. |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:19:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08hmqyejCYU i quite like ccp's advertising |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:31:00 -
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Aryth wrote:This isn't the CCP of 2 years ago. Sonyfied CCP is not the CCP we know and love. They are something different now. It wasn't until it hit PCGamer they took actoin.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:41:00 -
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blackpatch wrote:who cares about the sandbox we'll be walking in stations any year now
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 20:56:00 -
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one must ask what a world we have wrought when white hats are shat upon.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:11:00 -
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dw guys we still own over 50% of all of the tech in the game |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:13:00 -
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Oisin Sandovar wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:one must ask what a world we have wrought when white hats are shat upon.
The 5 people involved were not white hats. They were grey hats.
white, grey, they are but differing shades of brown when shat upon |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:52:00 -
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asd3452 wrote:PCGamer is currently writing an article about this massive about-face by CCP on Eve as a Sandbox. It should be interesting.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 14:15:00 -
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Why is Sreegs involved? This is not a security issue, no accounts were hacked, nothing was botted, nothing was exploited using "hacking" methods. It was down and dirty market manipulation caused by the lack of foresight on the side of one of EVE's devs - not Sreegs.
I don't see why CCP/Sreegs felt the need to prevent a crash of the factional warfare market, especially when a) the cabal specifically said that they weren't going to do that and b) SANDBOX |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 14:20:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Why is Sreegs involved? This is not a security issue, no accounts were hacked, nothing was botted, nothing was exploited using "hacking" methods. It was down and dirty market manipulation caused by the lack of foresight on the side of one of EVE's devs - not Sreegs.
I don't see why CCP/Sreegs felt the need to prevent a crash of the factional warfare market, especially when a) the cabal specifically said that they weren't going to do that and b) SANDBOX Abusing the game on a scale that can break it is not a security issue?
game wasn't abused to the extent of breaking it, the dudes involved told CCP about the manipulation and stopped it. it was a programming issue. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1151
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:03:00 -
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that's certainly a post |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:10:00 -
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Phoenixx wrote:I just find it hilarious that Goonswarm is so mad about this.
1) You guys find an exploit, unintended manipulation, game design flaw (whatever you want to call it) and exploit the hell out if it.
2) You come on the forums and brag about how you outwitted CCP and make 300T ISK.
3) It is CLEAR that you all start to brag about the exploitation of a newly created faction war system to impress all the EVE online players and extend your E-PEEN.
4) It is CLEAR you know that it is a game design flaw you and continue to do it regardless.
5) CCP does the right thing and makes adjustments to avoid those profiting unfairly - in a GAME
6) You all start to cry, pretending you didn't think or know it was exploiting.
Classic.
Anyway, it's entertaining, and never affected me. But' it is very obvious that CCP needs to penalize those who exploited a game design flaw. You can't exploit the flaw and then brag about it - knowing very well that it would probably not fly - and then claim good faith after CCP fixes it.
thanks for your point of view pubbie we'll keep it in mind going forward |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 15:23:00 -
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I'm not sure you can design a flawed system and expect people not to game it. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:04:00 -
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Richter Enderas wrote:I've never seen goons act like such giant publords before.
it's a shame i can't negrep you here as well |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 16:16:00 -
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sort of like finding out your sandbox has razor blades hidden in the sand |
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